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| From | Message | Posted by kansaspatzer diddyonline.com
6/07/2008 14:03:34 Play online chess | Subject: Philidor Position?
Message: Recently I studied the Philidor and Lucena Positions. Although the Lucena is straightforward enough, I understand the basics of the Philidor but am not sure about how to apply it in an actual game situation or when exactly it comes up. I just finished this game, and I think that around move 66 I missed a chance to utilize this drawing resource. Can anybody tell me if I did?
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| Posted by bonsai diddyonline.com
6/07/2008 15:23:12 Play online chess |
Message: You are right you reached Philidor's position (or something very much like it) several times and could have drawn easily.
The position 60.Rxf4 should be an easy draw, not sure why you gave away your f6 pawn, even so it was all still easily drawn, because your king was on the promotion square. With 67...Ra6+ you nicely set up a third (sixth) rank defence (=Philidor's position) which easily holds the draw.
69...Ra7 is still a draw, but why bother with taking the rook of the 6th rank?? Just wait until his pawn has advanced far enough to not give his king any place to hide from checks and then go to the first rank and check him.
In the same sense 71...Ra6 was the right move. 71...Ra5 looses - white could have played 72.Kf6, but he missed that, after 72.Rh7 you could once more have held it with 72...Ra6.
After missing that the defence became more complicated. 75...Re1 would still have drawn for black, but it's harder to do. 75...Kf8 looses. However white doesn't really know what he's doing 77.Ra5 is a pointless move that throws away the win, the rook is great on the 8th rank and one should just play 77.Kd6 to advance the pawn (and if Rd1+ then Ke7).
After 86...Kf7 you've once more got a nice third rank defence, but you once more go for the wrong kind of continuation with 87...Ra5 and this time white punishes it properly and doesn't let the win slip away, again.
| Posted by kansaspatzer diddyonline.com
6/08/2008 02:04:22 Play online chess |
Message: Thanks for the detailed analysis. A pure Philidor position, then, is reached when the pawn is on the sixth rather than fifth rank? That is what had thrown me off - once I was at move 70 or so, I assumed that I had already missed my chance. ——— Two Tied for Lead of Elite Russian Championship — For decades, the chess championship of the Soviet Union was considered one of the world’s strongest tournaments, if not the strongest. After the breakup of the U.S.S.R. scattered many of the world’s best chess players back to their native lands, it was inevitable that the national championships of each former Soviet country would not be as formidable as the collective one held by the Soviets. It is not surprising, however, that the one that has come closest is Russia’s. Russia has more of the world’s top chess players than any other country and is ranked No. 1 among countries, according to the World Chess Federation. Russia’s national championship, which started Saturday, includes seven chess players rated ...
Posted by marinvukusic diddyonline.com
6/08/2008 02:31:49 Play online chess | Wikipedia is your friend
Message:
en.wikipedia.org
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Posted by bonsai diddyonline.com
6/08/2008 02:49:14 Play online chess |
Message: The position with your king on/next to the promotion square, your rook on the 6th rank as black (or 3rd rank as white) and his pawn on the 5th rank is what is called Philidor's position (or the third rank defence). The way to draw it is to keep the rook on the 6th (3rd) rank until he advances the pawn beyond to the 6th rank, then the rook goes to the first (8th) rank and keeps checking the king. ——— Interview with Magnus Carlsen — The world's best chess player on modelling for G-Star Raw, psychological ploys, and why he's not big on Christmas. Q: Hello Magnus ... MC: Hello Small Talk. Q: How does it feel to be back for the London Chess Classic? MC: It feels good. Last year's tournament was really enjoyable and very successful for me too. Q: The Russian world champion Mikhail Botvinnik used to get training partners to deliberately blow smoke in his face to prepare for opponents who may try to unsettle him. Is there anything you do to prepare for psychological tricks or gamesmanship? MC: Thankfully, one cannot smoke at the board now so I don't have to worry about that. I try to focus on the game rather than ...
Posted by ionadowman diddyonline.com
6/08/2008 17:54:26 Play online chess | marinvukusic -
Message: -... but asking on the forum is much more fun. bonsai's responses look pretty good to me, at that.
Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by marinvukusic diddyonline.com
6/09/2008 04:35:02 Play online chess | Yeah, but...
Message: ... Wikipedia has really excellent chess articles, much better than anything any of us might write on the forum. So that should be the first resource IMHO.
Of course if the purpose of the topic is fun that forum is better :) ——— Surprising Leader at London Chess Classic — The torrid pace continued at the London Chess Classic on Thursday as three of the four games again ended decisively. Luke McShane of England, who had pulled off a big upset by beating Magnus Carlsen of Norway in Round 1, won again in Round 2, beating Nigel Short, another Englishman. It was Short’s second loss. Carlsen bounced back by upending Michael Adams, one of the four English chess players. Hikaru Nakamura of the United States, who had managed to draw a long game against the world chess champion Viswanathan Anand of India in Round 1, had Black for the second game in a row. It was also his 23rd birthday. His opponent, Vladimir Kramnik of Russia, the former world chess champion, ended up ...
Posted by ionadowman diddyonline.com
6/09/2008 12:57:41 Play online chess | Marin...
Message: ... I certainly have no quarrel with the Wikipedia article(s) in question, having followed up the link you gave earlier. And, aware of these now, one has an easily accessible (and readable) on-line resource for the questions raised here.
But maybe I shouldn't have said "fun" - rather that a discussion of the question is a more ... social way of exploring the topic. Here, it is a more engaging way of studying this kind of endgame.
Cheers,
Ion
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