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Posted by lapsekili
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6/13/2008
13:23:22

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Subject: Traxler Gambit

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I hope there are someone who knows enough about it.After these moves:


1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 Fc4 Nf6
4 Ag5 Fc5
5 Axf7 Fxf2
6 Kxf2 Axe4+
7 Ke3 Qh4

Black has a great positional advantage and there are combinations that takes you to the victory.For example;

8.Nxh8 Qf4+
9.Ke2 Qf2+
10.Kd3 Ab4+
11.Kxe4 Qf4#


But if white plays 6.Kf1 instead of capturing the bishop,black's both rook and queen are under the attack.So,black loses his rook.And after this,how must black play to have a chance to have a positional advantage or take a piece?

I thought about of it but couldnt solve the problem.I hope there are someone who can help me here.


Posted by kansaspatzer
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6/13/2008
21:58:26

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After 6.Kf1 Qe7 7.Nxh8 d5 8.exd5 Nd4, Black has reasonable attacking chances.

Posted by ionadowman
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6/13/2008
22:32:15

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Two points...

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1. If White takes the f2-bishop, then after 6...Nxe4+ 7.Kg1 is (according the Estrin) the best move.
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If 7.Ke3 Qh4 8.Qf3 Ng5! (if 8...Nc4 9.Nxh8 is playable)
9.Nxg5 Qxg5+ 10.Kd3 d5 11.Bxd5 Bf5+ 12.Kc3 Nd4
13.d3 Qe7 "with as immensely strong attack..." (Estrin).
The g1-retreat might well be good enough for the draw, though White will be on the rack for a long time to come.

2. The effect of 6.Kf1 is to prevent Black's gaining a tempo with the knight-check on e4. Black has, perforce, to make a quiet move 6...Qe2 whereat White takes the rook. But then 7...d5 and Bl;ack gets a dangerous attack:
w

A sample line runs
8.exd5 Nd4 9.Kxf2? Bg4 10.Qf1 Ne4+ 11.Kg1 Ne2+ and Black wins (12.Bxe2 Qc5+ etc).

The Traxler - indeed just about the whole Two Knights' Defence family - is one of the richest and most fascinating opening lines of play Chess has to show. Pity about the Ruy Lopez...

Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by lapsekili
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6/14/2008
05:23:40

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thank you

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Thanks for your answer but your answer created a new question in my brain.
"1. If White takes the f2-bishop, then after 6...Nxe4+ 7.Kg1 is (according the Estrin) the best move" you said like that but now how must black go on not to lose advantage?
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Chess: Knight moves — The finely tuned positional antennae of Ulf Andersson sense a problem requiring a harmonious solution. More from the master of positional play, Ulf Andersson. How did he manage to improve his position? RB: Last week I went for an exchange sacrifice in the game Andersson-Tempone. It wasn't the continuation that Andersson chose, which should perhaps be enough to warn me against the move I am thinking of here – 1…Rd4. If White accepts the offer, 2 Bxd4 then 2…exd4 and the knight, which is pinned to the queen, is lost. But, of course, it's not going to be that simple. White can refuse to play ball and instead go ...
Posted by ionadowman
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6/14/2008
16:07:59

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7.Kg1

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Things get pretty theoretical after this line.
The main line (bearing in mind the theory I have available is 30 years old!) goes:
7.Kg1 Qh4 8.g3 (8.Qf1?) 8...Nxg3 9.Nxh8 (for the consequences of 9.hxg3, see infra) 9...d5 (9...Nd4; 9...Ne4?; 9...Nxa1?!) 10.Qf3 Qd4+ 11.Kg2 Nf5
12.c3 Qxc4 13.d3 Qh4 14.Qxd5 (14.Rg1!?) 14...Ne3+ 15.Bxe3 Ba3+ and Black has no more than a perpetual.

Note that both sides can deviate quite a bit, so there may be buried in all this some decisive resource for Black - or White.

Back to the 9.axg3 line, here's a game played by correspondence between the readers of a Soviet schoolboys' daily paper and Mikhail Tal:
White: "Pionierskaya Pravda" Black: M. Tal
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5
5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Kg1 Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3
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9.hxg3 Qxg3+ 10.Kf1 Rf8 11.Qh5 d5(!) 12.Bxd5 Nd4!?
(Apparently 12...Nb4! is better, using the attack on the bishop further to develop Black's game and force exchanges whilst retaining the pressure on White's game)
13.Qh2 Qg4 14.Qxe5+ Be6 15.Bxe6 Qf3+ 16.Kg1 Ne2+
17.Kh2 Qf2+ 18.Kh3 Qf3+ 19.Kh4 Qf2+ (19...Qxh1+?? 20.Bh3+ Kxf7 21.Qe6#)
At this point, White could secure the draw by bringing the K back to h3, and a perpetual. But the lads hoped to make something of their material plus...
20.Kh5? Rxf7 21.Bxf7++ Kxf7 22.Rh2 Qf3+ 23.Kh4 g5+!
24.Qxg5 Rg8 25.Qh5+ Qxh5+ 26.Kxh5 ...
At this point,
b
Black forced the draw by...
26...Ng3+ 27.Kh6 Nf5+ 28.Kxh7 Rg7+ and a perpetual.
But from the diagram position, a Moscow schoolboy found that Black could have forced a win - a checkmate - even with such scanty material available.
See if you can find it!
Cheers,
Ion

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Posted by ionadowman
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6/14/2008
16:12:13

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Oops...

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... That Q on h5 is really the creamy complexioned monarch in drag. Sorry about that. (Normally I check over my postings in order to emend mistakes like this, but I've been finding lately they have been vanishing without trace. Not what you want to see when you have just spent a good half-hour on it...)
Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by lapsekili
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6/15/2008
08:50:21

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okay

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thank you but it would be better if you put white's king in the second diagram at your answer above.

Regards

Chagri
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Posted by ionadowman
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6/15/2008
13:37:09

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OK...

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Posted by ionadowman
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6/16/2008
02:13:02

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In case anyone hasn't...

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... spotted the win for Black in that last diagram:
26...Nf4+ 27.Kh6 (If instead 27.Kh4 them ...h5 threatens mate by ...Rg4# - and it cannot be stopped [27.Kh4 h5 28.Rg2 Rxg2, then what?]) 27...Rg6+ 28.Kxh7 Rg7+ 29.Kh6 (29.Kh8 Ng6#) 29...Kg8!! (The key. White has no answer to the coming ...Rg6#).
Neat, eh?
Cheers,
Ion


Posted by lapsekili
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6/16/2008
03:07:19

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Thanks

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Thank you very much you helped me well on this theory.:D

Posted by gunnarsamuelsson
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7/08/2008
15:30:23

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traxler

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if nxf7 I beat the cm 8000 (otb i am maybe1600)and in theory black should be ok, at least equal. The cm 8k is very weak and materialistic andif u feed it with the line nxf7?! ,it will follow a very greedy stupid line... bxf2+ ,kf1 ,qe7,nxh8, d5!! , exd5, nd4 etc. try it vs your achine if u have 1 very funny to beat the silly thing!!

the variation is seldom played cause after bxf7+! black is in trouble.