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hardcorepawn ♡ 49 ( +1 | -1 )
Becoming a Master Okay so I hit 30 this year and my OTB rating would probably be somewhere between 1700-1900. Ive been told even with loads of study I would probably never make an OTB rating of over 2400, or even 2200.

What are other peoples opinion on this, not will I make it, but could I make it to be a Master? maybe in 5 or 10 years of serious study?

Another question, what is the oldest player to achieve Master or GM status for the first time?
zdrak ♡ 69 ( +1 | -1 )
I believe Klovans from Latvia was the oldest player to ever become a GM. He aquired the title at the venerable age of 62! However, he was definitely a strong master since his youth - not a complete unknown who "suddenly" became grandmaster.

As for players who are still amature-strength in their 30s, the GM title, I believe, is a lost cause for them. Of course 'tis but my own opnion, and if you believe otherwise, don't let me discourage you!

But the first thing you need to do is definitely get a good professional trainer to work with you thoroughly and assess your chances of improvement. Find someone in your area who has experience of teaching chess to adults (teaching chess to kids or teenagers is different, and different principles apply). Good luck!

indiana-jay ♡ 91 ( +1 | -1 )
Just Curious...
Who told you that you would probably never make over 2200? Your chess coach?

Unfortunately I couldn't access your profile. But if I'm not mistaken, one GM achieved his tittle in a very old age. But that was along time ago where chess competition was not as though as today. But 5 years of serious study can make a big diferent, dependents upon only one thing: intelligence.

Everyone can be better by studying, but intelligence will limit the highest possible achievement. It's like a certain type of curve, the higher you climb the less your advancement rate.

I have met OTB masters (one was 2400), and they are not smart. Well, let's say less or equal 120 of IQ. So, somebody may have a rough statistics or a graph of IQ versus Rating among OTB rated players. And you can judge by yourself...

I found many players in GK are above 120, enough IQ to be OTB masters. But if they are new to chess, and are loaded with university study or official work?
brucehum ♡ 196 ( +1 | -1 )
Definitively, yes The answer is yes. It is just a question of studying. Getting a good coach is important.

Spragget mentions it in his website:

Anyone can become a master.

But he also mentions that how long it will take is not the real question, the real question is WHY would you want to become master? You need to have a good reason. You'll need "Motivation, willpower, discipline, perseverance".

This also is the idea of IM Rosich from spain, and many more. With hard work, almost anyone can become master.

My case is similar to yours. I'm 31 now. I started studying when I hit 30.

I have been playing OTB tournaments for a long time, and never studied anything else than history of chess. I was 1820 for ages (1920 USCF, more or less). Then I've started studying one year ago. I've gone up in rating to 1870 (I felt the 'push' after six months, so if at the begining you don't see much progress, keep going!), and this last months my performances in OTB tournaments have been around 2100-2200. (2200-2300 US, I think master class!). Of course, one thing is performance (which is interesting to 'check' progress, but you'll feel it), and the other rating. Rating should go up slower... but, if you do manage to get a steady performance of 2200-2300, and you can, with serious work, you'll get there eventually and prove them wrong!

Once you are at 2200, then you may consider again. Those other 200 rating points are indeed steep, and start requiring serious dedication to opening study, among others. Up until then, the best way to study openings is by learning the IDEAS. That is a lot better than learning lines. But, once up there, you'll have to start studying a lot more openings. :-(

So, yes, it definitively can be done. The best way is to get a good coach. If there are none in your area, then ICC may be a good place.
lorddreyfuss ♡ 26 ( +1 | -1 )
Experience I personally know a master from Croatia that learned to play when he was in late twenties! But then he really took up studying and played a lot, and he managed to achieve the master title!
So it is still possible, but you have to put some effort into it!
atrifix ♡ 58 ( +1 | -1 )
"Unfortunately I couldn't access your profile. But if I'm not mistaken, one GM achieved his tittle in a very old age. But that was along time ago where chess competition was not as though as today."

Actually, it has gotten much easier to achieve the GM title over time due to the prevalence of international tournaments and GMs in general. Compare to, say, 30 years ago in the USSR when only very strong masters supported by the regime were allowed to travel.

IMO anyone who is willing to commit serious work to chess can become a master class player, and probably a GM as well. But don't expect to become world champion :)